2nd green question frm I -I
"Did maria recieve any letter in EP05? Gotta check when re-reading ep05?"
No there was none, the first letter came after battler's discovery of the gold.
hmm wad does this say? In the content of the letter, it congratulates battler for solving the epitaph. That means its nt written way in advanced, it can only be written after erika's announce to the siblings about the discovery of the gold. So we can narrow down the possible people who is responsible for the letter.
Well lets leave that for EP05 discussion, woah like damn far away haha.
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Topic 2: Rudolf's own death prediction?
Firstly, when he meant that, he might die. Did he mean,
1) imma die, cos XYZ, therefore imma tell u guys while i can
2) damn there is something i wanna tell u guys. Dun kill me after u know the truth xD
Initially wad i tot was scenario 1, but apparently in ep05, he said that its about battler's birth, and he wants to talk about it with the whole family.
Frm the way Rudolf talks, as well as kyrie and battler, im sure he could hav meant jokingly.
"Dun kill me. Battler, actually, Kyrie is ur real mom / Asuma is nt ur mom."
Something liddat. Neways i gt a feeling that ryukishi07 will surprise us with a truth that nobody expected.
Cos since if its scenario 1, im sure any dude will asap tell battler or kyrie wadeva he wanted to say if he felt that his live was seriously in danger.
So doesnt this means that Rudolf's proclamation doesnt help? !@#$EWFDSF
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Topic 3 : Wad effect would there be on natsuhi upon the knowledge of the existance of the hidden gold?
Cos we know that there are several conditions that is constant. Like since kinzo is always dead before the game, the family must know about it, GENJI at least, so its almost certain that the EP05 natsuhi is present in all the episodes, unless on such occasions that, some1 else discovered kinzo's death first, hide the truth, got some1 else to pretend as him, handle the corpse. that would be a tough job.
But in EP05, i think natsuhi is unaware of the existance of the gold, despite believing in the power of the witch =.=.
But wad about Krauss? Is it a constant that he had that single one winged eagle gold ingot? I believe that we can assume that for now. Cos if we use the, "letter is done by natsuhi/krauss" theory, if krauss KNEW that the gold existed, that would allow him to conjure a plan of such. Normally it wouldn cross any1's mind to fake a letter frm a "witch" blah blah blah......
But cos he was aware that the GOLD DOES EXIST, regardless of who it came frm, only den was he able to think of a plan of such.
Cos the letter dun jus distract the siblings frm krauss. if they actually find the gold, it will even save all of them frm their problems.
It doesnt jus solve his problem, it even makes him richer.
Therefore, any1 with the knowledge of the existence of the gold, is a suspect for the one responsible for the letter.
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Topic 4: The Head's Ring
How was kinzo's body 'settled'? Will they bury the ring with him? Will they keep it? Will Krauss keep it since he is the heir?
When maria takes out the letter, every1 is shocked. But no1 was shock to the extent of OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!, cos they tot that the ring was buried with kinzo, or worst still, supposedly in their possession. They didn react that way. That means thief is out of the picture.
Krauss and natsuhi and the servants and nanjo all didn react like, USO DA! ITS ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE, THERE IS NO ARGUMENT! IN FACT I'LL SHOW U. THE RING IS HERE! oh, oops.
Therefore, i think i can almost conclude that its absolutely some1 with the knowledge of the existence of the gold, responsible for the letter.
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Hmm den where is Beatrice in the picture? How to allow her to exist?
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Monday, January 25, 2010
Tuesday, January 19, 2010
I - I *spoilers up to EP05* ANALYSIS of UMINEKO NO NAKU KORO NI EP01 : Legend of The Golden Witch (anime version) part 1
He has already announce that all the clues needed to solve the entire mystery is provided, now its time to defeat ryukishi07.
My plan now is to rewatch ep 01 to 04 via anime, den re-read the sound novel frm ep05 to ep01.
Let it begin.
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Topic 1: beatrice's letter?
Question 1: Who gave maria the letter?
Possible suspects : Genji, nanjo, natsuhi, more?
Impossible suspects :
To be reinforced with facts when reading SN.
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Question 2: Wad is the purpose of the letter?
I guess we gotta try and imagine What effects/differences would the letter create? Compare with how things will be
like if the letter didn appear.
Den there another part of the letter, the head's seal on the wax, does this means it is absolutely done by krauss' family / servants / nanjo ; people who know that kinzo is dead.
Did maria recieve any letter in EP05? Gotta check when re-reading ep05
So for the time being we assume that its the 'people who know that kinzo is dead', or at least some or one of them,
who is responsible for the letter, so wad effect did they expect to create, wad is the motive?
If there was no letter....
The 3 younger siblings will try to get some $$$ frm krauss, with their talks about recognising him as the head blah blah blah. As shown in ep01, he manage to fight them off. Den in some other ep i forgot which 1, kyrie talk about the responsibiliy of the caretaker of the head blah blah blah. Although those games are parallel worlds, this represent possibilities. Neways Which implies that their plan, 'missing Kinzo', is nt foolproof, they must have taken that into consideration.
In that situation, to be exact, at that moment, it has to be proven that kinzo still exist, is the motive of the younger siblings. Cos they arent waiting for 7 years later, they wan to expose krauss now and threathen him to giving them the money that all 3 of them need urgently.
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So how will the witch's letter help? If we assume that its the 'people who know that kinzo is dead' who are behind the letter.
A distraction? To divert the topic of whether kinzo is dead or not, or even destroy the idea?
The letter announce to every that, Beatrice, exist. She call herself alchemist-adviser of the house. Y nt jus
witch? I wonder how its writen in jap.
And the letter says that, '...but, today, Kinzo-sama sentenced the end of that contract. '
Ah isnt that prove that Kinzo is alive?
And den, 'As for that condition, he will return me all the gold by the end of the contract. And as an interest, I can accept everything of the Ushiromiya family.'
With that, doesnt it makes the 3 siblings panic? The $$$ that they were eyeing for, snatched away under their nose.
'However, Kinzo-sama, in order to give a chance to leave the wealth and fortune to everyone, added a special clause. Only when that clause is satisfied, I’ll eternally lose my right to collect the gold and the interest.” 'And if any1 can solve the riddle, and find the GOLD, beatrice will have to give up the rights to the shits of ushiromiya family.....
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WHO CARES ABOUT USHIROMIYA IF WE FIND 10 TONS OF GOLD?
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I think this is a wonder plan that works for krauss and natsuhi.
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But umineko is not just a mystery novel. And i am a supporter of magic. How to put beatrice into the picture? How does she exist and wad is her motives?
Now i understand how battler feels when he tries to explain the murders logically; denying magic and therefore proposing that a human is responsible for the crimes, but dun wan suspect any of the other 17 people on the island. Terrible feeling, dunno if i should jus drop that line of thought, or change it to suit to my liking, but find it impossible to do so.
Ah den thats when Ange comes into the picture, and tell battler that there is no need care about who being the culprit. Even if its Shannon den so be it. cos she wants her onii-chan to end this stupid game go home asap. I think its like when subduing some dude who punched u for no reason earlier, u decide to jus restrict his movements and be careful not to hurt him cos later he cannot go to work tml. lol shitz analogy? That being said, its magic that allow ange to travel to this world and help her brother. In that sense its obvious that she recognise magic. But in this case battler gotta end this game to return to ange, so jus go ahead and deny magic, beatrice's magic to be exact. It might be impossible for my right eye to see random rainbows, but who says its impossible for gucci's pol lubricated eye?
Den we have erika, who represent the readers, we see this murder case as an interesting mystery for us to solve. There is no need to be sad for the characters who die, as it is nessesary for the mystery novel. With no regard for any consequeces of any actions, cos we exist outside of the gameboard.
Shit i drifted quite far liao. Taking a break frm this brainstorm.
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The letter 'written' by some1 with the knowledge of kinzo's death, it is written with the intention to help assist in the cover up of kinzo's death.
Find out possible and impossible suspects for giving maria the letter.
My plan now is to rewatch ep 01 to 04 via anime, den re-read the sound novel frm ep05 to ep01.
Let it begin.
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Topic 1: beatrice's letter?
Question 1: Who gave maria the letter?
Possible suspects : Genji, nanjo, natsuhi, more?
Impossible suspects :
To be reinforced with facts when reading SN.
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Question 2: Wad is the purpose of the letter?
I guess we gotta try and imagine What effects/differences would the letter create? Compare with how things will be
like if the letter didn appear.
Den there another part of the letter, the head's seal on the wax, does this means it is absolutely done by krauss' family / servants / nanjo ; people who know that kinzo is dead.
Did maria recieve any letter in EP05? Gotta check when re-reading ep05
So for the time being we assume that its the 'people who know that kinzo is dead', or at least some or one of them,
who is responsible for the letter, so wad effect did they expect to create, wad is the motive?
If there was no letter....
The 3 younger siblings will try to get some $$$ frm krauss, with their talks about recognising him as the head blah blah blah. As shown in ep01, he manage to fight them off. Den in some other ep i forgot which 1, kyrie talk about the responsibiliy of the caretaker of the head blah blah blah. Although those games are parallel worlds, this represent possibilities. Neways Which implies that their plan, 'missing Kinzo', is nt foolproof, they must have taken that into consideration.
In that situation, to be exact, at that moment, it has to be proven that kinzo still exist, is the motive of the younger siblings. Cos they arent waiting for 7 years later, they wan to expose krauss now and threathen him to giving them the money that all 3 of them need urgently.
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So how will the witch's letter help? If we assume that its the 'people who know that kinzo is dead' who are behind the letter.
A distraction? To divert the topic of whether kinzo is dead or not, or even destroy the idea?
The letter announce to every that, Beatrice, exist. She call herself alchemist-adviser of the house. Y nt jus
witch? I wonder how its writen in jap.
And the letter says that, '...but, today, Kinzo-sama sentenced the end of that contract. '
Ah isnt that prove that Kinzo is alive?
And den, 'As for that condition, he will return me all the gold by the end of the contract. And as an interest, I can accept everything of the Ushiromiya family.'
With that, doesnt it makes the 3 siblings panic? The $$$ that they were eyeing for, snatched away under their nose.
'However, Kinzo-sama, in order to give a chance to leave the wealth and fortune to everyone, added a special clause. Only when that clause is satisfied, I’ll eternally lose my right to collect the gold and the interest.” 'And if any1 can solve the riddle, and find the GOLD, beatrice will have to give up the rights to the shits of ushiromiya family.....
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WHO CARES ABOUT USHIROMIYA IF WE FIND 10 TONS OF GOLD?
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I think this is a wonder plan that works for krauss and natsuhi.
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But umineko is not just a mystery novel. And i am a supporter of magic. How to put beatrice into the picture? How does she exist and wad is her motives?
Now i understand how battler feels when he tries to explain the murders logically; denying magic and therefore proposing that a human is responsible for the crimes, but dun wan suspect any of the other 17 people on the island. Terrible feeling, dunno if i should jus drop that line of thought, or change it to suit to my liking, but find it impossible to do so.
Ah den thats when Ange comes into the picture, and tell battler that there is no need care about who being the culprit. Even if its Shannon den so be it. cos she wants her onii-chan to end this stupid game go home asap. I think its like when subduing some dude who punched u for no reason earlier, u decide to jus restrict his movements and be careful not to hurt him cos later he cannot go to work tml. lol shitz analogy? That being said, its magic that allow ange to travel to this world and help her brother. In that sense its obvious that she recognise magic. But in this case battler gotta end this game to return to ange, so jus go ahead and deny magic, beatrice's magic to be exact. It might be impossible for my right eye to see random rainbows, but who says its impossible for gucci's pol lubricated eye?
Den we have erika, who represent the readers, we see this murder case as an interesting mystery for us to solve. There is no need to be sad for the characters who die, as it is nessesary for the mystery novel. With no regard for any consequeces of any actions, cos we exist outside of the gameboard.
Shit i drifted quite far liao. Taking a break frm this brainstorm.
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The letter 'written' by some1 with the knowledge of kinzo's death, it is written with the intention to help assist in the cover up of kinzo's death.
Find out possible and impossible suspects for giving maria the letter.
Umineko no naku koro ni EP 05 : End of The Golden Witch
ahh maybe the story will end up as wad i've guessed in EP 02, battler will understand the world completely and recreate a final world where every1 live happily ever after.
EP 05 is the scariest 1 so far even tho they are the least fantasy-like; humans are scarier than demons and witches.
So, beatrice is gone for good? She died?
Damn lot of questions in my head la.
Even tho i enjoy EP 05 alot, i dun really know wad to say. Lets come back to it when i do my 1337 analysis posts.
EP 05 is the scariest 1 so far even tho they are the least fantasy-like; humans are scarier than demons and witches.
So, beatrice is gone for good? She died?
Damn lot of questions in my head la.
Even tho i enjoy EP 05 alot, i dun really know wad to say. Lets come back to it when i do my 1337 analysis posts.
Monday, January 11, 2010
Umineko : Witches and Woodlands
Haha this is quite funny. Especially the part when Dlanor and Battler was arguing about the rules. But end too suddenly la, well this is after all jus some fanfic, cant demand it to be like a few chapters long haha.
Sunday, January 03, 2010
umineko ep 05 comments as im reading.
Wtf? jump off 3 story building? i know parkour/freerunning ppl can do magic la. But an untrained like Battler? Wad nonsense.
*ping pong*
Contradiction/nonsense spotted. When battler join the game after taking a break. It had already reached the 2nd night. Jus for fun, they decide to replay the game jus for Battler to see. the piece-battler's action was controlled by bern. As shown frm epitaph part, when battler was surprised that his piece-self was able to solve it, bern told him that she was controlling him, that why he could solve it. Plus when lambda asked battler why piece-battler could see kinzo, he replied XXX, and bern said that she also said the same thing jus now.
But now we see him defending natsuhi, about the missing kinzo theory. Which goes against erika. Bern controlled piece-battler shouldn hav done that wad, its illogical. Is that wad actually happen? That piece-battler actually proposed that idea? Bern most certainly didn appear like she did that herself, tho she was laughing at erika's defeat lol. So is Battler actually affecting the game?
The author has created a plot hole!
Lets see if we will reach back the exact same situation when the EP 05 reach the 2nd night again.
*many pages later*
Fuck i gt denied by Battler.
"That wasnt me. Lambda was controlling him (piece-battler)"
Shit. Why that didn cross my mind lol.
Btw ep 05 is really scary at times.
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Wad bullshit? lambda stopped cornelia frm being able to using the red? nonsense. plz explain
Yay another possible plot hole, tryin my best to defeat the author =D.
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Wow lambda is pretty good. How to explain the letter and the knock sia.
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So is piece-beatrice a true representive of beatrice or jus a piece controlled by lambda?
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tho i dun rmb all the red truth, but the alibi created frm the paper seal can be recreated by placing the shit back wad.
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Shit im denied again. Duct tapes and other godly methods were used to to make sure there is no loophole
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Damn the author answers all my questions, well cept the part where lambda could prevent Cornelia frm revealing the red truth that the window was nvr opened the even once during 'that period of time'.
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Lol wtf. Golden truth.
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Stolen frm here
I concur as well. That was one heck of a scary scene. It took a few sec before i recovered frm the shock.
*ping pong*
Contradiction/nonsense spotted. When battler join the game after taking a break. It had already reached the 2nd night. Jus for fun, they decide to replay the game jus for Battler to see. the piece-battler's action was controlled by bern. As shown frm epitaph part, when battler was surprised that his piece-self was able to solve it, bern told him that she was controlling him, that why he could solve it. Plus when lambda asked battler why piece-battler could see kinzo, he replied XXX, and bern said that she also said the same thing jus now.
So, battler has gt no influence to the game until when he joined back, which is, the 2nd night.
But now we see him defending natsuhi, about the missing kinzo theory. Which goes against erika. Bern controlled piece-battler shouldn hav done that wad, its illogical. Is that wad actually happen? That piece-battler actually proposed that idea? Bern most certainly didn appear like she did that herself, tho she was laughing at erika's defeat lol. So is Battler actually affecting the game?
The author has created a plot hole!
Lets see if we will reach back the exact same situation when the EP 05 reach the 2nd night again.
*many pages later*
Fuck i gt denied by Battler.
"That wasnt me. Lambda was controlling him (piece-battler)"
Shit. Why that didn cross my mind lol.
Btw ep 05 is really scary at times.
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Wad bullshit? lambda stopped cornelia frm being able to using the red? nonsense. plz explain
Yay another possible plot hole, tryin my best to defeat the author =D.
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Wow lambda is pretty good. How to explain the letter and the knock sia.
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So is piece-beatrice a true representive of beatrice or jus a piece controlled by lambda?
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tho i dun rmb all the red truth, but the alibi created frm the paper seal can be recreated by placing the shit back wad.
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Shit im denied again. Duct tapes and other godly methods were used to to make sure there is no loophole
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Damn the author answers all my questions, well cept the part where lambda could prevent Cornelia frm revealing the red truth that the window was nvr opened the even once during 'that period of time'.
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Lol wtf. Golden truth.
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I concur as well. That was one heck of a scary scene. It took a few sec before i recovered frm the shock.
Tuesday, December 22, 2009
TIPS: Anti-Mystery vs. Anti-Fantasy
I wonder wad kind of thoughts people such as this author, have in their mind. Wad goes on in their head. To be able to churn out stuff like this shit below.
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Regarding Anti-mystery and Anti-fantasy
竜騎士０７
In EP3 of this time, I tried to change the catch copy phrase at the back cover, 'is reasoning possible or impossible', to 'anti-mystery vs anti-fantasy.
I think it's already comprehensible to those who have finished this EP3 but, the world view of 'Umineko no Naku Koro Ni' goes just as this catch copy.
Well, mystery and fantasy are probably words you hear oftenly but, when it comes to and anti-mystery and anti-fantasy, I think there are not much chances for it to be heard.
What would be the general ideas behind 'anti'?
That's what I'd humbly like to enumerate here.
Regarding anti-fantasy, probably there isn't anything special to talk about.
In this world we live, fantasy and such are impossible.
No matter what kind of fancy fairy-tale it is, in the end, they are just a work of fiction.
Even if it is realistic, they have exaggerations in some things and are only politcal and made-up stories.
Don't you tell me that you seriously believe that Earth was made in 7 days by the Creator? Or that Izanagi-no-Mikoto (see wikipedia) created the Japanese islands with his spear...? it's obvious that we can explain those with the combination of the big-bang with meteorites and the rising of lands by means of the interference of the (tectonic) plates, huh.
To the ones who are able to openly declare that during the classes of Japan history and world history, be welcome, I present you the world of the 'anti-fantasy'.
The people who pretend to believe those things to keep the appearances, for being able to read the atmosphere, even though they don't believe it, too, please, be welcome to the world of 'anti-fantasy'.
There's no way witches and magic do exist.
In everything, we can expose the truth through reasoning.
Most of people should believe that.
'Anti-fantasy'.
In other words, that is our basic format, the common sense.
You guys would never surrender to 'Umineko no Naku Koro Ni'.
Because there's no way witches and magic do exist.
Such an extremely natural explanation for 'anti-fantasy' ends here and finally let's start to talk about the 'anti-mystery'.
First, before talking about anti-mystery, we have to talk about the mystery.
To talk about what is a mystery, a thin booklet like this wouldn't have enough pages.
Because of that, I'd like to advance the talk in an extremely simple way here.
Basically, when we say 'mystery', this points out to the 'authentic mystery'.
To explain it in a rough and yet simple way, the classical mystery denominates something where it's possible for the reader to reach the correct answer through the information exposed in the middle of the story, without waiting for the 'in-play' answers.
This is the main idea of the mystery and certainly it is appropriate to name it 'authentic'.
It means that at the same time it is a reading material, it is also an intelligence contest between the writer and the reader.
In that sense, I think it is possible to understand an authentic mystery as being the one genre that looks the most like a game among all novel genres.
In other words, a high-grade authentic mystery should be a complete arithmetic puzzle game.
And this fact should have been sublimated in high-grade by means of the many masterpieces of the famous writers.
However, a sublimated authentic mystery soon runs into a certain problem.
That is a difficult and famous problem, called 'last part queen problem'.
Explaining it in an extremely simply way, the 'last part queen problem' says it is impossible to prove by oneself that the information that the detective (reader) is able to know is 'everything' there is to it.
A great detective would probably use all the hints and evidences given to him and produce brilliant deductions and logical views.
However, it's necessary one prerequisite so that his deduction is correct.
And that would be to say that the all evidences and hints investigated by the detective must be 'complete'.
In most cases, the detective thoroughly investigates the scene of the crime, finds all the evidences and hints and then lists them.
However.
We can't deny the existence of a 'conclusive evidence X that the detective did not find yet'.
In other words, no matter what kind of brilliant deduction the great detective reached, that would be nothing more than a 'construction from evidences and hits at that point in time'.
In other words, if an undiscovered and conclusive evidence X were taken into consideration, it would not be possible to deny the possibility that the deduction the detective did reach could be turned upside down.
In other words, in addition to working out a deduction from the many evidences, it was born the obligation for the detective to stablish proof that 'there are no evidences undiscovered'.
And, needless to say, to prove this is exactly a 'Devil's Proof' (probatio diabolica).
...... In other words, it means it ended up coming to light that it's not possible for the detective to prove that his deduction is correct.
The authentic mystery, that should be completely logical, in spite of that, this time, fell into the dilemma of not being able to show an answer logically.
No matter how much, during the story, one explains that 'there's one master key', we can't deny the possibility that there are copies of the master key.
Even if one explain it is impossible, we can never deny the possibility that 'a copy was made without that character's knowledge'.
Even if they explain that it has a shape that is impossible to make a copy, it doesn't reach the point of denying th existence of a 'not yet known technology that can copy it even so'.
The first discoverer in the scen of the crime might be lying, the judgement results of the police might be wrong.
They may have been bribed by the criminal or are covering something to lead the detective into a wrong deduction...
If we don't deny completely those things and 'all possibilities aside from the ones assumed', we could not even reach the presentation of the problem.
However, needless to say, it is impossible.
Saying it in an extreme way, even if the detective (reader) were to reach an extremely logical deduction and there was a scene where the criminal recognizes it and gives in.
...... We cannot deny the possibility that a lethal and undiscovered evidence X remains and, moreover, an accomplice made a fake confession to protect the real criminal and took the blame in his place.
Actually, in 'Watanagashi-hen' of 'Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni', too, there is a point where this dilemma is used as a motif.
Actually, before the announcement of 'Meakashi-hen', almost all the readers should have been wrong about the criminal of 'Watanagshi-hen'.
That is because with 'Watanagashi-hen' alone, it was depicted a scene where the criminal recognized Rena's deduction and so, that deduction was 'concluded' there.
In other words, __ is the criminal and 'the deduction at that time was correct'.
In spite of that, in 'Meakashi-hen', many new informations, unknown at the time of 'Watanagashi-hen', were revealed and, as a result of that, it is revealed that a different character was the real criminal.
It was probably a valid solution to the readers who had finished reading until 'Meakashi-hen' but, at the time of 'Watanagashi-hen', it was impossible to deduce that.
However, while it may be true, the deduction construction at the time of 'Watanagashi-hen' was 'not an error'.
Even if you reached the wrong criminal, that deduction was correct 'at that time'.
Because, at that time, it was a 'genuine' solution obtained using all the existing ingredients available.
But, one thing is certain.
The specification of the criminal at the stage of 'Watanagashi-hen' was wrong.
This is the 'last part queen problem'.
And then, the reader should have finished reading Meakashi-hen, obtained a definite answer and managed to get a certain amount of understanding of it.
However, even so.
Even finishing the reading of 'Meakashi-hen', there's no guarantee that that was the right truth.
As long as there is the 'last part queen problem'.
It's just an extremely irrational example but, if, in later years, Ryuukishi07 were to write the Truth Clarification Chapter, 'Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni Truth', and then announced it 'adding not yet known new information as appendix' such as 'The truth of 'Watanagashi-hen' and 'Meakashi-hen' were disguised, in fact, the criminal was the unexpected character ___!', it would be overwritten as the correct truth and it would be possible to distort even the truth of 'Meakashi-hen'.
(Dreadfully, even this unfair thing would become fair in case we considered these 3 chapter, 'Watanagashi-hen', 'Meakashi-hen' and 'Truth Clarification Chapter', as only one piece of work.
No matter what kind of appendix information it is, it is impossible to prove whether it was added later or not.
And then, as long as there is the 'last part queen problem', it will be allowed to add new information later as much as one wants.
After all, it is impossible to deny the existence of undiscovered information.)
I'll write it sounding like an excuse, but, obviously, 'Watanagashi-hen' and 'Meakashi-hen' are the two views of the same scenario.
There won't be any settings added later.
...... Naturally, even if I say it here, it's impossible to prove the authenticity of what I said.
In other words, what I want to say is that, whatever is the answer, even the truth (oracle) according to the writer (god)!, they are not absolute.
The truth can be altered many times over by the hands of a META being of a higher stratum than even the supreme god of the story, the writer, this meta-being being the writer himself in the future.
In other words, it's an extremely rough argument but, as long as we talk about 'last part queen problem', we'll collapse into the dilemma of the mystery being an impossible puzzle.
How ironic it is for the mystery to have reached the point of denying its own existence, as the result of having tried to be pure as a mystery....
I call this 'anti-mystery', including the ironic sense in it.
Regarding the Meta Rules
As long as there is the 'Devil's proof', we and the detective can never deny an evidence X, yet to be discovered.
As long as the 'Devil's proof' is not broken, we won't even be able to obtain the qualifications to challenge the mystery.
People die before your eyes, secret rooms are constructed, doubtful evidences roll around, and in spite of that, we can't start the deductions.
Instead of investigations in the scenes of the crimes, scrutinies of evidences and testimonies from the local where they were first discovered!
We have to check 'that' before anything else.
'That' is, in other words, ...... 'whether it is possible or not to make deductions with all the evidences in this place now'!
Historical great detectives look up at the skies at the scenes of the crimes and, before anything, ask to the almighty god (writer).
" Is this world (piece of work), an authentic mystery (possible to deduce)?!"
Then, God answers like this.
" Yeah, this piece of work is an authentic mystery.
So, it's definitely possible for you to solve it as well, relax and make your deductions."
Then, when the detective thinks 'Aah, good to hear it', relaxes and is able to challenge the mystery, he strokes down his chest and finally begins to investigate the scene of the crime.
Even in real murder cases, certainly a scene like this might happen too.
After the police blocks the circumference of the scene of the crime and keeps the media at a distance, the detectives clap their hands and look up at the skies.
" Aah, God!
Would it be possible to solve this case?!
If you don't tell us that, we won't be able to investigate or make deductions...!!
After all, if it is an irregular mystery or a *bizarre/social mystery*, not to say if it is a fantasy romance in vogue now, it won't make any sense even if we try to make deductions!"
*(Shakaiha Mystery, bizarre is imprecise but I can't find a better words here)
However, since it is as a real life problem.
God doesn't answer to them.
Then, could it be that they will keep on clapping hands until there is a revelation?
If there's no revelation, the investigations will close?
When calling this situation to mind, and jokingly thought 'Aah, what a stupidity, this is an idiocy!!', for the first time, I realized that the notion of 'Anti-mystery' is something possible.
The human beings try to rationally seek arithmetic answers in all the riddles.
At first glance, it looks intellectual but, in fact, that is a big mistake.
'Unless there is the premise that that riddle is something we can obtain the correct answer rationally', the human beings are unable to challenge the riddle.
And such a premise will never be given.
In other words, while the human beings boast that they domineer intellectuality and can deduce mysteries, in practice, without a certificate from God, they don't have brains, thoughts or ideas, they are ignorant, inept, unrefined, unable to use even a fragment of their 'gray brain cells'.
It means they have nothing but an intelligence of the same level as a paramecium.
What Beatrice sneers at in 'Umineko no Naku Koro Ni' is exactly that.
While enthusiastic about seeking arithmetic answers in everything, in spite of that, if it is not guaranteed that that is possible, they can't even challenge it.
Comparing it with boxing, it would be like a boxer saying that he only wants to fight with an opponent that he was guaranteed that he can win.
To the witch Beatrice, the human beings who are enthusiastic about denying the witch and disclose the truth rationally look this much laughable.
When you finished the EP1 of 'Umineko No Naku Koro Ni', were you really able to challenge the mystery?
You hesitated in the challenge just because there was no word about whether it was authentic or not, didn't you?
You hesitated in the challenge just because there was no proof that all the evidences were shown, didn't you?
...... Kuukuukuuku!!
Fooool.
Care to tell me where and when in your life did you have a proof like that?
When you took examinations to enter high school, if you did not received a revelation that you'd pass the exam, upon asking it to God, you wouldn't be able to pass? Kuuhiihyaahahahahahahaha...!
You mean that if your mama had not said 'my little boy will surely pass the exam!', you would not have been able to pass the exaaaam??
Kuuhiihihihihihihihihi!
You managed to understand that how the mysteries the humans talk about are worthless.
And, if you managed to understand my will to laugh, you are welcome to the world of the 'anti-mystery'.
They oftenly say that 'in this world, there are many things science can't explain', right?
That's right.
It is impossible to prove perfectly everything in this world.
It is always possible to suppose a not yet known X that we did not suppose.
And nobody can deny that!
Reasoniing?
Mystery?
Aahyahahahahahahahahahahaha!!
Foooliiiiiish!!
When the little boy buys a new book at the mystery library, he should ask his Mama to read it first.
And then, you should just ask to her 'is it possible for me to solve this book too?' and when Mama nodded to you, you would read.
It'd be good for you to eat only the baby food your Mama chewed for youuu, Uuhyeehyaahyaahyaahyaaaa!!
-- That why I tell Milady, such a thing has no class.
We could say that the 'red truth' Beatrice-sama uses is an antithesis against that.
The things she said with the 'red truth' are just as the words of a god.
Without any kind of evidence or proof, it becomes the truth.
If she said, with the red truth, that 'the door can only be unlocked with the master key', it'd become completely unnecessary to make suppositions besides that.
It'd be unnecessary to make suppositions of pulling it from inside with lock pickings or fishing lines.
if she had continued to add saying in red that 'the number of master keys is 5 and it is only possible to unlock it with them.
And that duplications are impossible', it would become even more perfect.
But, let's be bold and leave the best to the end.
It is impoosible to prove whether the 'red truth', that calls itself as the truth, is really the real truth, even for the Milady.
I guess there are people among you all who are still in doubt whether Milady's 'red truth' can really be trusted.
That's right.
In this world, a truth that you can prove to be the truth doesn't exist.
So, if you ask whether you can believe that truth or not, it will probably end up becoming a question like this.
'Can you believe her?"
Probably, before long, you too will call for a person you love to be your companion.
And then, at the day of the commitment, you should certainly be asked that question by the priest.
Could it be that, even at that time, you will want to say you can't prove that the truth she says is the truth......? ... Puukukukukukuku.
In order to deny the witch, you have to challenge a game between a witch and a human.
However, to deal with that, you have to believe that the witch's 'red truth' is certainly the truth.
Even though it is a game to challenge the witch, and you don't believe her, that you have to believe the witch's utterance is quite a laughable contradiction.
When you heard for the first time about the rule of the 'red truth' and asked if you could trust that, Milady said this.
' I am playing this game with you.
The rules of the game are sacred!! A person who makes light of that is not qualified to take part!!'
Puukuukuuku...!
In the end, you and Milady have a relation tied by a sacred reliance.
Something even a demon would be jealous.
Puukuuku....
There isn't any truth in this world.
Even 'love', reputed to be the sole element of this world, in the nd, is an illusion.
Fantasy.
The humans who try to explain everything as mystery and try to deny the fantasy might not be qualififed to love and to be loved.
Are you 'anti-fantasy'? Or 'anti-mystery'?
Hohou? Are you using it conveniently, according to the situation?
That might be the wisest thing to do, I guess.
With the exaggerated tales of prowess of the friends, use the anti-fantasy.
At the times you want to get drunk with inappropriate dreams, use anti-mystery.
In the nights you can't sleep, use an antimony music box of a gentle timbre.
Then, have a good sleep, everyone....
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Regarding Anti-mystery and Anti-fantasy
竜騎士０７
In EP3 of this time, I tried to change the catch copy phrase at the back cover, 'is reasoning possible or impossible', to 'anti-mystery vs anti-fantasy.
I think it's already comprehensible to those who have finished this EP3 but, the world view of 'Umineko no Naku Koro Ni' goes just as this catch copy.
Well, mystery and fantasy are probably words you hear oftenly but, when it comes to and anti-mystery and anti-fantasy, I think there are not much chances for it to be heard.
What would be the general ideas behind 'anti'?
That's what I'd humbly like to enumerate here.
Regarding anti-fantasy, probably there isn't anything special to talk about.
In this world we live, fantasy and such are impossible.
No matter what kind of fancy fairy-tale it is, in the end, they are just a work of fiction.
Even if it is realistic, they have exaggerations in some things and are only politcal and made-up stories.
Don't you tell me that you seriously believe that Earth was made in 7 days by the Creator? Or that Izanagi-no-Mikoto (see wikipedia) created the Japanese islands with his spear...? it's obvious that we can explain those with the combination of the big-bang with meteorites and the rising of lands by means of the interference of the (tectonic) plates, huh.
To the ones who are able to openly declare that during the classes of Japan history and world history, be welcome, I present you the world of the 'anti-fantasy'.
The people who pretend to believe those things to keep the appearances, for being able to read the atmosphere, even though they don't believe it, too, please, be welcome to the world of 'anti-fantasy'.
There's no way witches and magic do exist.
In everything, we can expose the truth through reasoning.
Most of people should believe that.
'Anti-fantasy'.
In other words, that is our basic format, the common sense.
You guys would never surrender to 'Umineko no Naku Koro Ni'.
Because there's no way witches and magic do exist.
Such an extremely natural explanation for 'anti-fantasy' ends here and finally let's start to talk about the 'anti-mystery'.
First, before talking about anti-mystery, we have to talk about the mystery.
To talk about what is a mystery, a thin booklet like this wouldn't have enough pages.
Because of that, I'd like to advance the talk in an extremely simple way here.
Basically, when we say 'mystery', this points out to the 'authentic mystery'.
To explain it in a rough and yet simple way, the classical mystery denominates something where it's possible for the reader to reach the correct answer through the information exposed in the middle of the story, without waiting for the 'in-play' answers.
This is the main idea of the mystery and certainly it is appropriate to name it 'authentic'.
It means that at the same time it is a reading material, it is also an intelligence contest between the writer and the reader.
In that sense, I think it is possible to understand an authentic mystery as being the one genre that looks the most like a game among all novel genres.
In other words, a high-grade authentic mystery should be a complete arithmetic puzzle game.
And this fact should have been sublimated in high-grade by means of the many masterpieces of the famous writers.
However, a sublimated authentic mystery soon runs into a certain problem.
That is a difficult and famous problem, called 'last part queen problem'.
Explaining it in an extremely simply way, the 'last part queen problem' says it is impossible to prove by oneself that the information that the detective (reader) is able to know is 'everything' there is to it.
A great detective would probably use all the hints and evidences given to him and produce brilliant deductions and logical views.
However, it's necessary one prerequisite so that his deduction is correct.
And that would be to say that the all evidences and hints investigated by the detective must be 'complete'.
In most cases, the detective thoroughly investigates the scene of the crime, finds all the evidences and hints and then lists them.
However.
We can't deny the existence of a 'conclusive evidence X that the detective did not find yet'.
In other words, no matter what kind of brilliant deduction the great detective reached, that would be nothing more than a 'construction from evidences and hits at that point in time'.
In other words, if an undiscovered and conclusive evidence X were taken into consideration, it would not be possible to deny the possibility that the deduction the detective did reach could be turned upside down.
In other words, in addition to working out a deduction from the many evidences, it was born the obligation for the detective to stablish proof that 'there are no evidences undiscovered'.
And, needless to say, to prove this is exactly a 'Devil's Proof' (probatio diabolica).
...... In other words, it means it ended up coming to light that it's not possible for the detective to prove that his deduction is correct.
The authentic mystery, that should be completely logical, in spite of that, this time, fell into the dilemma of not being able to show an answer logically.
No matter how much, during the story, one explains that 'there's one master key', we can't deny the possibility that there are copies of the master key.
Even if one explain it is impossible, we can never deny the possibility that 'a copy was made without that character's knowledge'.
Even if they explain that it has a shape that is impossible to make a copy, it doesn't reach the point of denying th existence of a 'not yet known technology that can copy it even so'.
The first discoverer in the scen of the crime might be lying, the judgement results of the police might be wrong.
They may have been bribed by the criminal or are covering something to lead the detective into a wrong deduction...
If we don't deny completely those things and 'all possibilities aside from the ones assumed', we could not even reach the presentation of the problem.
However, needless to say, it is impossible.
Saying it in an extreme way, even if the detective (reader) were to reach an extremely logical deduction and there was a scene where the criminal recognizes it and gives in.
...... We cannot deny the possibility that a lethal and undiscovered evidence X remains and, moreover, an accomplice made a fake confession to protect the real criminal and took the blame in his place.
Actually, in 'Watanagashi-hen' of 'Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni', too, there is a point where this dilemma is used as a motif.
Actually, before the announcement of 'Meakashi-hen', almost all the readers should have been wrong about the criminal of 'Watanagshi-hen'.
That is because with 'Watanagashi-hen' alone, it was depicted a scene where the criminal recognized Rena's deduction and so, that deduction was 'concluded' there.
In other words, __ is the criminal and 'the deduction at that time was correct'.
In spite of that, in 'Meakashi-hen', many new informations, unknown at the time of 'Watanagashi-hen', were revealed and, as a result of that, it is revealed that a different character was the real criminal.
It was probably a valid solution to the readers who had finished reading until 'Meakashi-hen' but, at the time of 'Watanagashi-hen', it was impossible to deduce that.
However, while it may be true, the deduction construction at the time of 'Watanagashi-hen' was 'not an error'.
Even if you reached the wrong criminal, that deduction was correct 'at that time'.
Because, at that time, it was a 'genuine' solution obtained using all the existing ingredients available.
But, one thing is certain.
The specification of the criminal at the stage of 'Watanagashi-hen' was wrong.
This is the 'last part queen problem'.
And then, the reader should have finished reading Meakashi-hen, obtained a definite answer and managed to get a certain amount of understanding of it.
However, even so.
Even finishing the reading of 'Meakashi-hen', there's no guarantee that that was the right truth.
As long as there is the 'last part queen problem'.
It's just an extremely irrational example but, if, in later years, Ryuukishi07 were to write the Truth Clarification Chapter, 'Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni Truth', and then announced it 'adding not yet known new information as appendix' such as 'The truth of 'Watanagashi-hen' and 'Meakashi-hen' were disguised, in fact, the criminal was the unexpected character ___!', it would be overwritten as the correct truth and it would be possible to distort even the truth of 'Meakashi-hen'.
(Dreadfully, even this unfair thing would become fair in case we considered these 3 chapter, 'Watanagashi-hen', 'Meakashi-hen' and 'Truth Clarification Chapter', as only one piece of work.
No matter what kind of appendix information it is, it is impossible to prove whether it was added later or not.
And then, as long as there is the 'last part queen problem', it will be allowed to add new information later as much as one wants.
After all, it is impossible to deny the existence of undiscovered information.)
I'll write it sounding like an excuse, but, obviously, 'Watanagashi-hen' and 'Meakashi-hen' are the two views of the same scenario.
There won't be any settings added later.
...... Naturally, even if I say it here, it's impossible to prove the authenticity of what I said.
In other words, what I want to say is that, whatever is the answer, even the truth (oracle) according to the writer (god)!, they are not absolute.
The truth can be altered many times over by the hands of a META being of a higher stratum than even the supreme god of the story, the writer, this meta-being being the writer himself in the future.
In other words, it's an extremely rough argument but, as long as we talk about 'last part queen problem', we'll collapse into the dilemma of the mystery being an impossible puzzle.
How ironic it is for the mystery to have reached the point of denying its own existence, as the result of having tried to be pure as a mystery....
I call this 'anti-mystery', including the ironic sense in it.
Regarding the Meta Rules
As long as there is the 'Devil's proof', we and the detective can never deny an evidence X, yet to be discovered.
As long as the 'Devil's proof' is not broken, we won't even be able to obtain the qualifications to challenge the mystery.
People die before your eyes, secret rooms are constructed, doubtful evidences roll around, and in spite of that, we can't start the deductions.
Instead of investigations in the scenes of the crimes, scrutinies of evidences and testimonies from the local where they were first discovered!
We have to check 'that' before anything else.
'That' is, in other words, ...... 'whether it is possible or not to make deductions with all the evidences in this place now'!
Historical great detectives look up at the skies at the scenes of the crimes and, before anything, ask to the almighty god (writer).
" Is this world (piece of work), an authentic mystery (possible to deduce)?!"
Then, God answers like this.
" Yeah, this piece of work is an authentic mystery.
So, it's definitely possible for you to solve it as well, relax and make your deductions."
Then, when the detective thinks 'Aah, good to hear it', relaxes and is able to challenge the mystery, he strokes down his chest and finally begins to investigate the scene of the crime.
Even in real murder cases, certainly a scene like this might happen too.
After the police blocks the circumference of the scene of the crime and keeps the media at a distance, the detectives clap their hands and look up at the skies.
" Aah, God!
Would it be possible to solve this case?!
If you don't tell us that, we won't be able to investigate or make deductions...!!
After all, if it is an irregular mystery or a *bizarre/social mystery*, not to say if it is a fantasy romance in vogue now, it won't make any sense even if we try to make deductions!"
*(Shakaiha Mystery, bizarre is imprecise but I can't find a better words here)
However, since it is as a real life problem.
God doesn't answer to them.
Then, could it be that they will keep on clapping hands until there is a revelation?
If there's no revelation, the investigations will close?
When calling this situation to mind, and jokingly thought 'Aah, what a stupidity, this is an idiocy!!', for the first time, I realized that the notion of 'Anti-mystery' is something possible.
The human beings try to rationally seek arithmetic answers in all the riddles.
At first glance, it looks intellectual but, in fact, that is a big mistake.
'Unless there is the premise that that riddle is something we can obtain the correct answer rationally', the human beings are unable to challenge the riddle.
And such a premise will never be given.
In other words, while the human beings boast that they domineer intellectuality and can deduce mysteries, in practice, without a certificate from God, they don't have brains, thoughts or ideas, they are ignorant, inept, unrefined, unable to use even a fragment of their 'gray brain cells'.
It means they have nothing but an intelligence of the same level as a paramecium.
What Beatrice sneers at in 'Umineko no Naku Koro Ni' is exactly that.
While enthusiastic about seeking arithmetic answers in everything, in spite of that, if it is not guaranteed that that is possible, they can't even challenge it.
Comparing it with boxing, it would be like a boxer saying that he only wants to fight with an opponent that he was guaranteed that he can win.
To the witch Beatrice, the human beings who are enthusiastic about denying the witch and disclose the truth rationally look this much laughable.
When you finished the EP1 of 'Umineko No Naku Koro Ni', were you really able to challenge the mystery?
You hesitated in the challenge just because there was no word about whether it was authentic or not, didn't you?
You hesitated in the challenge just because there was no proof that all the evidences were shown, didn't you?
...... Kuukuukuuku!!
Fooool.
Care to tell me where and when in your life did you have a proof like that?
When you took examinations to enter high school, if you did not received a revelation that you'd pass the exam, upon asking it to God, you wouldn't be able to pass? Kuuhiihyaahahahahahahaha...!
You mean that if your mama had not said 'my little boy will surely pass the exam!', you would not have been able to pass the exaaaam??
Kuuhiihihihihihihihihi!
You managed to understand that how the mysteries the humans talk about are worthless.
And, if you managed to understand my will to laugh, you are welcome to the world of the 'anti-mystery'.
They oftenly say that 'in this world, there are many things science can't explain', right?
That's right.
It is impossible to prove perfectly everything in this world.
It is always possible to suppose a not yet known X that we did not suppose.
And nobody can deny that!
Reasoniing?
Mystery?
Aahyahahahahahahahahahahaha!!
Foooliiiiiish!!
When the little boy buys a new book at the mystery library, he should ask his Mama to read it first.
And then, you should just ask to her 'is it possible for me to solve this book too?' and when Mama nodded to you, you would read.
It'd be good for you to eat only the baby food your Mama chewed for youuu, Uuhyeehyaahyaahyaahyaaaa!!
-- That why I tell Milady, such a thing has no class.
We could say that the 'red truth' Beatrice-sama uses is an antithesis against that.
The things she said with the 'red truth' are just as the words of a god.
Without any kind of evidence or proof, it becomes the truth.
If she said, with the red truth, that 'the door can only be unlocked with the master key', it'd become completely unnecessary to make suppositions besides that.
It'd be unnecessary to make suppositions of pulling it from inside with lock pickings or fishing lines.
if she had continued to add saying in red that 'the number of master keys is 5 and it is only possible to unlock it with them.
And that duplications are impossible', it would become even more perfect.
But, let's be bold and leave the best to the end.
It is impoosible to prove whether the 'red truth', that calls itself as the truth, is really the real truth, even for the Milady.
I guess there are people among you all who are still in doubt whether Milady's 'red truth' can really be trusted.
That's right.
In this world, a truth that you can prove to be the truth doesn't exist.
So, if you ask whether you can believe that truth or not, it will probably end up becoming a question like this.
'Can you believe her?"
Probably, before long, you too will call for a person you love to be your companion.
And then, at the day of the commitment, you should certainly be asked that question by the priest.
Could it be that, even at that time, you will want to say you can't prove that the truth she says is the truth......? ... Puukukukukukuku.
In order to deny the witch, you have to challenge a game between a witch and a human.
However, to deal with that, you have to believe that the witch's 'red truth' is certainly the truth.
Even though it is a game to challenge the witch, and you don't believe her, that you have to believe the witch's utterance is quite a laughable contradiction.
When you heard for the first time about the rule of the 'red truth' and asked if you could trust that, Milady said this.
' I am playing this game with you.
The rules of the game are sacred!! A person who makes light of that is not qualified to take part!!'
Puukuukuuku...!
In the end, you and Milady have a relation tied by a sacred reliance.
Something even a demon would be jealous.
Puukuuku....
There isn't any truth in this world.
Even 'love', reputed to be the sole element of this world, in the nd, is an illusion.
Fantasy.
The humans who try to explain everything as mystery and try to deny the fantasy might not be qualififed to love and to be loved.
Are you 'anti-fantasy'? Or 'anti-mystery'?
Hohou? Are you using it conveniently, according to the situation?
That might be the wisest thing to do, I guess.
With the exaggerated tales of prowess of the friends, use the anti-fantasy.
At the times you want to get drunk with inappropriate dreams, use anti-mystery.
In the nights you can't sleep, use an antimony music box of a gentle timbre.
Then, have a good sleep, everyone....
!!! something i realised in Umineko EP 05
Since umineko mentioned this in the game,
Knox's "Ten Commandments" (or "Decalogue") are as follows:
That means my theory of Battler being the culprit for all the crimes is fail. But now, wad kind of reason umineko is gonna produce to justify that the culprits for the respective games, under wad extreme situation and condition, is thus able to commit such horrendous crime such as to kill the entire family along with the servants. I hope its nt something like hinamizawa syndrome, he cant use the same idea twice man. That would be failblog material.
gotta think of a new theory at the end of EP 05.
Knox's "Ten Commandments" (or "Decalogue") are as follows:
- The criminal must be mentioned in the early part of the story, but must not be anyone whose thoughts the reader has been allowed to know.
- All supernatural or preternatural agencies are ruled out as a matter of course.
- Not more than one secret room or passage is allowable.
- No hitherto undiscovered poisons may be used, nor any appliance which will need a long scientific explanation at the end.
- No Chinaman must figure in the story.
- No accident must ever help the detective, nor must he ever have an unaccountable intuition which proves to be right.
- The detective himself must not commit the crime.
- The detective is bound to declare any clues which he may discover.
- The stupid friend of the detective, the Watson, must not conceal from the reader any thoughts which pass through his mind: his intelligence must be slightly, but very slightly, below that of the average reader.
- Twin brothers, and doubles generally, must not appear unless we have been duly prepared for them.
That means my theory of Battler being the culprit for all the crimes is fail. But now, wad kind of reason umineko is gonna produce to justify that the culprits for the respective games, under wad extreme situation and condition, is thus able to commit such horrendous crime such as to kill the entire family along with the servants. I hope its nt something like hinamizawa syndrome, he cant use the same idea twice man. That would be failblog material.
gotta think of a new theory at the end of EP 05.
Sunday, December 20, 2009
Umineko no naku koro ni EP 04 : Alliance of the golden witch
Battler sin is that being not there for ange/maria? that caused their subsequent problems in their life, which in turn lead to the Rokkenjima murder case. But ange is only 2 years old when battler abandoned the Ushiromiya name. Ange's terrible life which lead to her escapism thru magic, and eventual acquaintance with maria, and subsequent fall out with maria via the denial of magic.... And den..... Well no need to go any further, this is prolly nt the sin Beatrice was lookin for.
And suddenly they jus throw away "Battler committed a sin and is unaware of it" and move on to other shitz, like Beatrice being depicted as a victim of certain unexplained circumstances as of yet, and of her motive, her true identity, etc etc.
Battler is not born frm asuma, but prolly the son of rudolf. Anyway does that actually have an underlying meaning behind it which is of any significance to the game? Yes if asuma is nt battler's biological mother might lead some argument that Battler is actually Kyrie's son cos Ange has gt red hair too but thats bullshit tho she said she was pregnant with a child ard the same time as asuma but she had a miscarriage if my memory serves. Anyway.........
Wad does asuma have to do with rokkenjima murder case or beatrice herself? So beatrice is doing an ass pull, finding shit reasons to escape the game like disqualifying Battler as her opponent? I hope thats nt the case, and that the mentioning of Asuma have gt an underlying meaning to it.
Why bother to win an intellectual argument with battler when a witch can jus kill him. Somehow the idea of acknowledgment is somewhat main plot of umineko. The truth is as wad you acknowledge.
What about Bernkestel and lambdadelta? What makes them "voyagers"? What makes them so powerful? What the difference between them and the "fake witch" beatrice?
And why the mind screw by stating the year of death of Ange and not Kasumi?!!?!?! Does this mean that the scene where Ange kills Kasumi and the bodyguards didn happen? She was jus dreaming? And that thru her death she was able to travel thru kakera with bernkestel to help battler?
Neways, im really happy for you Battler, and imma let u finish, but damn! its sad that Ange died. I wonder if we will get to see more of her in the future.
Tokin about battler, the intense argument, lol, during the last part of EP04. So many murder case and shitz, cant rmb the details, but still, could see beatrice half-ass'ed effort. Accepting bullshit arguments such as small bomb disguised as food, mistakenly consumed by those 6 ppl den it go boom in their stomach and die. lol wtf.
If wad lambdadelta said was true, that this is another epic troll act in play, den beatrice surely gotta be awarded with best actress of the year. Maybe even best scriptwriter/screenplay and director too.
Some of mysteries that jus bugs me. Like if kinzo was dead frm the start... Den wad makes of the shit we saw of him? The ceremony he prepared to revive beatrice? If he was dead frm the start.... damn that would be a massive mind screw... dun wanna think develop further...
Ah time to rest my head. Dunno hw long den will get to read EP05. In the mean time can try to solve this shit haha.
And suddenly they jus throw away "Battler committed a sin and is unaware of it" and move on to other shitz, like Beatrice being depicted as a victim of certain unexplained circumstances as of yet, and of her motive, her true identity, etc etc.
Battler is not born frm asuma, but prolly the son of rudolf. Anyway does that actually have an underlying meaning behind it which is of any significance to the game? Yes if asuma is nt battler's biological mother might lead some argument that Battler is actually Kyrie's son cos Ange has gt red hair too but thats bullshit tho she said she was pregnant with a child ard the same time as asuma but she had a miscarriage if my memory serves. Anyway.........
Wad does asuma have to do with rokkenjima murder case or beatrice herself? So beatrice is doing an ass pull, finding shit reasons to escape the game like disqualifying Battler as her opponent? I hope thats nt the case, and that the mentioning of Asuma have gt an underlying meaning to it.
Why bother to win an intellectual argument with battler when a witch can jus kill him. Somehow the idea of acknowledgment is somewhat main plot of umineko. The truth is as wad you acknowledge.
What about Bernkestel and lambdadelta? What makes them "voyagers"? What makes them so powerful? What the difference between them and the "fake witch" beatrice?
And why the mind screw by stating the year of death of Ange and not Kasumi?!!?!?! Does this mean that the scene where Ange kills Kasumi and the bodyguards didn happen? She was jus dreaming? And that thru her death she was able to travel thru kakera with bernkestel to help battler?
Neways, im really happy for you Battler, and imma let u finish, but damn! its sad that Ange died. I wonder if we will get to see more of her in the future.
Tokin about battler, the intense argument, lol, during the last part of EP04. So many murder case and shitz, cant rmb the details, but still, could see beatrice half-ass'ed effort. Accepting bullshit arguments such as small bomb disguised as food, mistakenly consumed by those 6 ppl den it go boom in their stomach and die. lol wtf.
If wad lambdadelta said was true, that this is another epic troll act in play, den beatrice surely gotta be awarded with best actress of the year. Maybe even best scriptwriter/screenplay and director too.
Some of mysteries that jus bugs me. Like if kinzo was dead frm the start... Den wad makes of the shit we saw of him? The ceremony he prepared to revive beatrice? If he was dead frm the start.... damn that would be a massive mind screw... dun wanna think develop further...
Ah time to rest my head. Dunno hw long den will get to read EP05. In the mean time can try to solve this shit haha.
Saturday, December 05, 2009
Umineko EP 3 ( visual novel )
There is more than 5 master keys.
This is wad i think. 1 for each servant. Maybe the words/logic can be twisted to allow more den 5 master key exist cos there are more den 5 servants in total for the ushiromiya family anyway. So some dude maybe can take the master keys of the servants who is on off during the annual family meeting.
Neways jus finished EP 3, been thinkin about the stupid golden land. Who benefits when the door to the golden land opens? The trolling by beatrice and virgilia with battler can be done after he sign the shitz wad, why do that when it only brings up suspicion? If their motive is to 'trick' him into acknowledge the existence of witches, den that action dun justify their motive. Its like as if they are buying some time until Ange arrives.
Neways who/what is virgilia anyway. Is she a piece summon just for the game? Is the same concept as in Fate/Stay night where the 'heroes' summoned for the Holy Grail War can come frm different timelines, and that only the spirit of the individual is replicated. It is nt an actual revival of the subject. For i see her only interacting at the game-level, meta-level, but nt at the witch tea party level.
Virgilia is so called beato's teacher. So by rights should be she acknowledged her. But apparently is Lambdadelta who acknowledged her. And wad about the acknowledgment of eva-beatrice? Wad benefit does the witches have to acknowledge new witch/apprentice?
Tokin about lambda, she said she only recommended/acknowledged her cos beatrice lend her the gameboard which she used to 'play' with bernkastel.
So can i draw the conclusion that, virgilia was indeed the teacher of beatrice, however she was an 'apprentice'/semi-witch, which is of a different level with 'acknowledged' witches. Den in exchange for providing aid to lambda, she recommended/acknowledged beatrice, to reach a higher level. As it is revealed, lambda and bern exist at a level beyond most witches, voyagers, which allow them to move between different worlds and still keep their powers.
Beato also have gt alot of persona. When toking in the witches tea party meta-world level, she acts more experienced and wise, compared to the debate meta-world where virgilia exist.
Ahh my head overloaded liao. Next week continue with EP 4. cant wait sia.
This is wad i think. 1 for each servant. Maybe the words/logic can be twisted to allow more den 5 master key exist cos there are more den 5 servants in total for the ushiromiya family anyway. So some dude maybe can take the master keys of the servants who is on off during the annual family meeting.
Neways jus finished EP 3, been thinkin about the stupid golden land. Who benefits when the door to the golden land opens? The trolling by beatrice and virgilia with battler can be done after he sign the shitz wad, why do that when it only brings up suspicion? If their motive is to 'trick' him into acknowledge the existence of witches, den that action dun justify their motive. Its like as if they are buying some time until Ange arrives.
Neways who/what is virgilia anyway. Is she a piece summon just for the game? Is the same concept as in Fate/Stay night where the 'heroes' summoned for the Holy Grail War can come frm different timelines, and that only the spirit of the individual is replicated. It is nt an actual revival of the subject. For i see her only interacting at the game-level, meta-level, but nt at the witch tea party level.
Virgilia is so called beato's teacher. So by rights should be she acknowledged her. But apparently is Lambdadelta who acknowledged her. And wad about the acknowledgment of eva-beatrice? Wad benefit does the witches have to acknowledge new witch/apprentice?
Tokin about lambda, she said she only recommended/acknowledged her cos beatrice lend her the gameboard which she used to 'play' with bernkastel.
So can i draw the conclusion that, virgilia was indeed the teacher of beatrice, however she was an 'apprentice'/semi-witch, which is of a different level with 'acknowledged' witches. Den in exchange for providing aid to lambda, she recommended/acknowledged beatrice, to reach a higher level. As it is revealed, lambda and bern exist at a level beyond most witches, voyagers, which allow them to move between different worlds and still keep their powers.
Beato also have gt alot of persona. When toking in the witches tea party meta-world level, she acts more experienced and wise, compared to the debate meta-world where virgilia exist.
Ahh my head overloaded liao. Next week continue with EP 4. cant wait sia.
Wednesday, November 25, 2009
Thoughts on Umineko no Naku Koro Ni Episode 2 ( VISUAL NOVEL ) *SPOILERS*
Yes indeed the novel is 10000% better than the anime.
Well its nt like its solved in the VN, but at least its addressed. Its like why are we doing this?? Why must do extra sai gang? Den some1 give a reasonable explanation; although sai gang that dun belong to us nvr makes sense, after that every1 will sux thumb and continue. Well in the event the bullshit explanation dun make sense, every1 will revolt la. Well in the novel context would be no1 will continue reading it. The novel did a good job to address the issue thats why every1 was happy to absorb the shit argument.
Now halfway thru episode 2, i gt a feeling that battler might be the culprit for many, if nt all of the crimes.
*spoilers*
Firstly magic in this world, can be seen as an over-imaginative thought, or magic itself. It is acknowledged by the individual, regardless of others. Its effect only works on believers. Maybe abit like hypnosis.
Limited to my knowledge from DISCOVERY channel, might be extremely wrong.
The hypnotist brings the subject to uber relaxation, den feed simple information that the subject can accept. They can do things like, pass the hypnotist's wallet on the table to him. However when told to give the hypnotist his own wallet, the subject can refuse. The command have to be something that the subject agree in his sub-conscious level. So if beforehand the hypnotist tok cock and ask of the subject to agree to some nonsense stuff like, and speak in a very evil way, which im nt skilled enuff to do so. It will make them agree and accept those actions in the subconscious level, which will allow them to do as the hypnotist say later in the hypnosis.
Cos one of the things that they often bring up, is the total acknowledgment to the existence of magic.
In episode 1 where battler refuse to acknowledge magic's existence, the magic which brought the every1 to the "golden land" dissolved.
When Ange deny the existence of sakutaro, maria was angry with her.
And also when the 7 stakes disappear upon the denial of their existence by Ange.
So say if Battler agree that the it was impossible for the 'closed room' to exist. Den it will be acknowledged that it was done by magic. But if he denies it, and come up with a logical solution, den it becomes that way.
But one can also argue that the truth has always been 'that', but its jus the witch twisting the facts.
Like one of the common arguement. The debate can be over with a extravagant display of magic. But like an analogy used in the novel, it would be like winning a chess game via physically beating ur opponent to concede. However another shit to support magic is the existence of this 'game'. It takes place in some meta-world, where that can observe wads happening on Rokkenjima over and over again. For them to be in such a place is beyond reality liao.
The Ushiromiya family seems to have magical potential in them to some extent, despite wadeva any1 said. Maria does, battler does ( only his resistance to magic is proven, but i wun be surprised if that accounts for ability as well ), Ange also have magical potential, Eva also.
With due time perhaps we will see even more ppl with magic potential.
Neways so tokin about Battler, i see it that, for each argument he put forward, and acknowledge. It will become the truth. That is his magic. And how does it happen? He himself will commit the crime. He proposed how the crime could be done, obviously he could hav carried it out himself, for he deemed that it was possible.
Why i have this argument? Cos when Ange was mega angry as her classmates were bullying her, she froze the world and entered meta-world and ordered the 7 stakes to kill em all. They couldn comply and gave some shitz reason ( i blame the anime ), however at least mammoth said something interesting. She said that if Ange herself is willing to stain her hands she will no doubt follow her to the end.
Ahh i feel like thats the key to unlock the mystery.
So this magic now act like some motivator? Self-empowerment? Every1 always tok in their head, perhaps "magic users" simply have ALOT ALOT more people tokin in their head. They use "magic" to bring dolls to life, and act like "talking" to them.
Spectators dun understand, cos they dun accept magic. However to the individual thats concerned, the dolls are alive.
Im sure if Battler sincerely wish for it, a mysterious 20th or 29th person can exist on the island. MOST PROLLY THE AUNT OF ANGE WHO WANTS TO KILL HER. I WUN BE SURPRISED IF SHE MAKES AN APPEARANCE.
But no his argument is that it cant be the witch, it cant be one of the 18. Well himself excluded.
Repeating wad i said earlier, upon acknowledgment of the methods of the crime he himself proposed, it becomes the truth; with the Battler that exist in the gameboard carrying it out.
Ahhh i can see the ending.
Den at the FINAL GAME, he makes use of his newly realised power, to manipulate the gameboard where every1 lives happily ever after.
*end of spoilers*
Ok time to go swimming.
- The motives of Battler
- the reasons for this "debate" with the witch
- the "give-aways" that encourage the possibility of denying the witch
- the admittance and addressing to the contraction of battler's argument
Well its nt like its solved in the VN, but at least its addressed. Its like why are we doing this?? Why must do extra sai gang? Den some1 give a reasonable explanation; although sai gang that dun belong to us nvr makes sense, after that every1 will sux thumb and continue. Well in the event the bullshit explanation dun make sense, every1 will revolt la. Well in the novel context would be no1 will continue reading it. The novel did a good job to address the issue thats why every1 was happy to absorb the shit argument.
Now halfway thru episode 2, i gt a feeling that battler might be the culprit for many, if nt all of the crimes.
*spoilers*
Firstly magic in this world, can be seen as an over-imaginative thought, or magic itself. It is acknowledged by the individual, regardless of others. Its effect only works on believers. Maybe abit like hypnosis.
Limited to my knowledge from DISCOVERY channel, might be extremely wrong.
The hypnotist brings the subject to uber relaxation, den feed simple information that the subject can accept. They can do things like, pass the hypnotist's wallet on the table to him. However when told to give the hypnotist his own wallet, the subject can refuse. The command have to be something that the subject agree in his sub-conscious level. So if beforehand the hypnotist tok cock and ask of the subject to agree to some nonsense stuff like, and speak in a very evil way, which im nt skilled enuff to do so. It will make them agree and accept those actions in the subconscious level, which will allow them to do as the hypnotist say later in the hypnosis.
Cos one of the things that they often bring up, is the total acknowledgment to the existence of magic.
In episode 1 where battler refuse to acknowledge magic's existence, the magic which brought the every1 to the "golden land" dissolved.
When Ange deny the existence of sakutaro, maria was angry with her.
And also when the 7 stakes disappear upon the denial of their existence by Ange.
So say if Battler agree that the it was impossible for the 'closed room' to exist. Den it will be acknowledged that it was done by magic. But if he denies it, and come up with a logical solution, den it becomes that way.
But one can also argue that the truth has always been 'that', but its jus the witch twisting the facts.
Like one of the common arguement. The debate can be over with a extravagant display of magic. But like an analogy used in the novel, it would be like winning a chess game via physically beating ur opponent to concede. However another shit to support magic is the existence of this 'game'. It takes place in some meta-world, where that can observe wads happening on Rokkenjima over and over again. For them to be in such a place is beyond reality liao.
The Ushiromiya family seems to have magical potential in them to some extent, despite wadeva any1 said. Maria does, battler does ( only his resistance to magic is proven, but i wun be surprised if that accounts for ability as well ), Ange also have magical potential, Eva also.
With due time perhaps we will see even more ppl with magic potential.
Neways so tokin about Battler, i see it that, for each argument he put forward, and acknowledge. It will become the truth. That is his magic. And how does it happen? He himself will commit the crime. He proposed how the crime could be done, obviously he could hav carried it out himself, for he deemed that it was possible.
Why i have this argument? Cos when Ange was mega angry as her classmates were bullying her, she froze the world and entered meta-world and ordered the 7 stakes to kill em all. They couldn comply and gave some shitz reason ( i blame the anime ), however at least mammoth said something interesting. She said that if Ange herself is willing to stain her hands she will no doubt follow her to the end.
Ahh i feel like thats the key to unlock the mystery.
So this magic now act like some motivator? Self-empowerment? Every1 always tok in their head, perhaps "magic users" simply have ALOT ALOT more people tokin in their head. They use "magic" to bring dolls to life, and act like "talking" to them.
Spectators dun understand, cos they dun accept magic. However to the individual thats concerned, the dolls are alive.
Im sure if Battler sincerely wish for it, a mysterious 20th or 29th person can exist on the island. MOST PROLLY THE AUNT OF ANGE WHO WANTS TO KILL HER. I WUN BE SURPRISED IF SHE MAKES AN APPEARANCE.
But no his argument is that it cant be the witch, it cant be one of the 18. Well himself excluded.
Repeating wad i said earlier, upon acknowledgment of the methods of the crime he himself proposed, it becomes the truth; with the Battler that exist in the gameboard carrying it out.
Ahhh i can see the ending.
Den at the FINAL GAME, he makes use of his newly realised power, to manipulate the gameboard where every1 lives happily ever after.
*end of spoilers*
Ok time to go swimming.
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